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		<title>By: The true colours of the BNP, again &#171; Raincoat Optimism</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/06/15/the-unlikely-friends-of-the-holocaust-memorial-killer/#comment-1504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The true colours of the BNP, again &#171; Raincoat Optimism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] was with David Duke, the former leader of the Klu Klux Klan who called President Obama a &#8220;visual aid&#8220;, which this picture certifies. It was on the stage with Duke that Griffin showed the true [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was with David Duke, the former leader of the Klu Klux Klan who called President Obama a &#8220;visual aid&#8220;, which this picture certifies. It was on the stage with Duke that Griffin showed the true [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Carnivorous</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/06/15/the-unlikely-friends-of-the-holocaust-memorial-killer/#comment-1309</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Carnivorous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Often when I read something written by someone such as Noam Chomsky, I think to myself, if the conspiracy theorists are even a little bit correct about the evil imperialist American government/Zionist global conspiracy to steal all the earth&#039;s resources and rule the world, then everyone should just sit back and hang on for the ride, since there seems to be absolutley nothing any one person can do about any of  it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often when I read something written by someone such as Noam Chomsky, I think to myself, if the conspiracy theorists are even a little bit correct about the evil imperialist American government/Zionist global conspiracy to steal all the earth&#8217;s resources and rule the world, then everyone should just sit back and hang on for the ride, since there seems to be absolutley nothing any one person can do about any of  it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Risdon</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/06/15/the-unlikely-friends-of-the-holocaust-memorial-killer/#comment-1307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Risdon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The alliance between the Russians and some Islamic states goes back, specifically in the field of human rights and in the arena of the United Nations, to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://freebornjohn.blogspot.com/2009/06/old-alliance.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1970s and earlier&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The alliance between the Russians and some Islamic states goes back, specifically in the field of human rights and in the arena of the United Nations, to the <a href="http://freebornjohn.blogspot.com/2009/06/old-alliance.html" rel="nofollow">1970s and earlier</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Snorri Godhi</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/06/15/the-unlikely-friends-of-the-holocaust-memorial-killer/#comment-1305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snorri Godhi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please excuse me for belaboring a point that I made elsewhere in shorter form.

Let&#039;s leave aside the fact that, to the extent that the words &quot;left&quot; and &quot;right&quot; still have a meaning, this is the exact opposite of the original meaning, in which the &quot;right&quot; was the party of State power and the &quot;left&quot; the party of individual liberty.

Let me concentrate instead on the idiotic &quot;far-right&quot; label. In Europe, this label is used to group together 2 polar opposites: parties which are anti-capitalist, anti-American, and antisemitic [the obvious examples being Le Pen and the BNP]; and parties which are market-liberal, pro-American, and Zionist [the obvious example being Geert Wilders].  To complicate matters further, there are parties such as the Vlaams Belang, which are, or pretend to be, part of the 2nd group, but have not managed to repudiate their connections to the 1st group.

Of course, there is a difference between the anti-capitalist, anti-American anti-Semites of the &quot;far-right&quot; and those of the &quot;far-left&quot;: the former are, or tend to be, white supremacists, while the latter tend to be anti-white.  However, the &quot;far-right&quot; anti-capitalists are united to the &quot;far-left&quot;, not only by anti-capitalism, anti-Americanism, and antisemitism, but also by intellectual genealogy.  In this respect, the real eye-opener for me was neither The Road to Serfdom nor Jonah Goldberg&#039;s Liberal Fascism [both valuable books in their different ways], but George Watson&#039;s The Lost Literature of Socialism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please excuse me for belaboring a point that I made elsewhere in shorter form.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s leave aside the fact that, to the extent that the words &#8220;left&#8221; and &#8220;right&#8221; still have a meaning, this is the exact opposite of the original meaning, in which the &#8220;right&#8221; was the party of State power and the &#8220;left&#8221; the party of individual liberty.</p>
<p>Let me concentrate instead on the idiotic &#8220;far-right&#8221; label. In Europe, this label is used to group together 2 polar opposites: parties which are anti-capitalist, anti-American, and antisemitic [the obvious examples being Le Pen and the BNP]; and parties which are market-liberal, pro-American, and Zionist [the obvious example being Geert Wilders].  To complicate matters further, there are parties such as the Vlaams Belang, which are, or pretend to be, part of the 2nd group, but have not managed to repudiate their connections to the 1st group.</p>
<p>Of course, there is a difference between the anti-capitalist, anti-American anti-Semites of the &#8220;far-right&#8221; and those of the &#8220;far-left&#8221;: the former are, or tend to be, white supremacists, while the latter tend to be anti-white.  However, the &#8220;far-right&#8221; anti-capitalists are united to the &#8220;far-left&#8221;, not only by anti-capitalism, anti-Americanism, and antisemitism, but also by intellectual genealogy.  In this respect, the real eye-opener for me was neither The Road to Serfdom nor Jonah Goldberg&#8217;s Liberal Fascism [both valuable books in their different ways], but George Watson&#8217;s The Lost Literature of Socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Carnivorous</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/06/15/the-unlikely-friends-of-the-holocaust-memorial-killer/#comment-1289</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Carnivorous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All conspiracy theorists have a brain disorder. Their brains cause them to form patterns out of chaotic events.

I once had a date with a man who seemed normal, but in the car on the way home he began to spout conspiracy theories. When I said jokingly, &quot;Oh yeah, and all the jews were told to leave the Trade Center towers, too..,&quot; and he replied, &quot;That did happen,&quot; I knew I was in big trouble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All conspiracy theorists have a brain disorder. Their brains cause them to form patterns out of chaotic events.</p>
<p>I once had a date with a man who seemed normal, but in the car on the way home he began to spout conspiracy theories. When I said jokingly, &#8220;Oh yeah, and all the jews were told to leave the Trade Center towers, too..,&#8221; and he replied, &#8220;That did happen,&#8221; I knew I was in big trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Brit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it possible to &#039;argue&#039; with 9/11 &#039;truthers&#039;?

Surely they lack the basic capacities for reason necessary for an argument? (After all, a whopping great lump of doublethink they have to manage is that an all-powerful US conspiracy is capable of contriving and covering up an intricate plot to kill 3,000 of its citizens and destroy two iconic buildings, yet is happy to sit back and let a few spotty geeks expose the whole thing). Isn&#039;t it best just to point and laugh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible to &#8216;argue&#8217; with 9/11 &#8216;truthers&#8217;?</p>
<p>Surely they lack the basic capacities for reason necessary for an argument? (After all, a whopping great lump of doublethink they have to manage is that an all-powerful US conspiracy is capable of contriving and covering up an intricate plot to kill 3,000 of its citizens and destroy two iconic buildings, yet is happy to sit back and let a few spotty geeks expose the whole thing). Isn&#8217;t it best just to point and laugh?</p>
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		<title>By: Alcuin</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/06/15/the-unlikely-friends-of-the-holocaust-memorial-killer/#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alcuin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thoughtful article, highlighting some of the hypocrisies and contradictions of identity politics. One quibble - well I once thought it to be merely a quibble, but now I see it as a real problem in analysing the motives of such people.

67 years after Hitler&#039;s treachery with Barbarossa, Stalin&#039;s retaliatory propaganda that the Nazis were &quot;far right&quot;, even though during his pact with Hitler he had acknowledged deep ideological sympathies, still has traction. Describing myself as centre right, I find the idea that my political instincts, taken to extreme, would be anything like Nazism or the BNP to be deeply offensive. The extreme extrapolation of my views would bring me to J.S.Mill, not Hitler. I want, above all, freedom - as much of it as can be commensurate with security and justice. To ask someone who has not known freedom what he &lt;a href=&quot;http://dhfcenter.simplwebsite.com/other-media/262-jamie-glazov-qunited-in-hateq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thinks&lt;/a&gt; when he finds it, is to understand this much better.

The far right are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;neo-Liberals&lt;/a&gt;, not Nazis or KKK supporters, and the BNP, Facsists, Nazis and Communists are all authoritarian far-left. The &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; differences between Communists and the others is the element of Nationalism, and it was missing this vital point that duped Stalin. Other common elements of the Left (in their instincts) involve the flawed concept of the perfectibility of Man and the elimination of individuality. This programme requires the coercion or elimination of dissent, not freedom.

Look at the political spectrum that way, and the hate that meets the Right (of any flavour) and alliances like that between the SWP and Hamas &lt;a href=&quot;http://dhfcenter.simplwebsite.com/other-media/262-jamie-glazov-qunited-in-hateq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;makes much more sense&lt;/a&gt;. In particular, the Left Tribe hates: the USA; Tory Toffs; the Countryside Alliance; Israel (especially Likud); Orangemen; Serb Nationalists; Le Pen; Vlaams Blok; White Africans; Anglicans. If you are not one of those, the some on the Left will welcome you, particularly if you want to change the world - in what direction and with what methods seems to be less important. That is, like Red and Black ants, until their territory starts to overlap with yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful article, highlighting some of the hypocrisies and contradictions of identity politics. One quibble &#8211; well I once thought it to be merely a quibble, but now I see it as a real problem in analysing the motives of such people.</p>
<p>67 years after Hitler&#8217;s treachery with Barbarossa, Stalin&#8217;s retaliatory propaganda that the Nazis were &#8220;far right&#8221;, even though during his pact with Hitler he had acknowledged deep ideological sympathies, still has traction. Describing myself as centre right, I find the idea that my political instincts, taken to extreme, would be anything like Nazism or the BNP to be deeply offensive. The extreme extrapolation of my views would bring me to J.S.Mill, not Hitler. I want, above all, freedom &#8211; as much of it as can be commensurate with security and justice. To ask someone who has not known freedom what he <a href="http://dhfcenter.simplwebsite.com/other-media/262-jamie-glazov-qunited-in-hateq" rel="nofollow">thinks</a> when he finds it, is to understand this much better.</p>
<p>The far right are <a href="http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright" rel="nofollow">neo-Liberals</a>, not Nazis or KKK supporters, and the BNP, Facsists, Nazis and Communists are all authoritarian far-left. The <i>only</i> differences between Communists and the others is the element of Nationalism, and it was missing this vital point that duped Stalin. Other common elements of the Left (in their instincts) involve the flawed concept of the perfectibility of Man and the elimination of individuality. This programme requires the coercion or elimination of dissent, not freedom.</p>
<p>Look at the political spectrum that way, and the hate that meets the Right (of any flavour) and alliances like that between the SWP and Hamas <a href="http://dhfcenter.simplwebsite.com/other-media/262-jamie-glazov-qunited-in-hateq" rel="nofollow">makes much more sense</a>. In particular, the Left Tribe hates: the USA; Tory Toffs; the Countryside Alliance; Israel (especially Likud); Orangemen; Serb Nationalists; Le Pen; Vlaams Blok; White Africans; Anglicans. If you are not one of those, the some on the Left will welcome you, particularly if you want to change the world &#8211; in what direction and with what methods seems to be less important. That is, like Red and Black ants, until their territory starts to overlap with yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabio P.Barbieri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fabio P.Barbieri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, one thing - von Brun would not watch Mel Gibson movies.  He hated Christianity with a passion, regarding it in classic Nazi style as a Jewish pollution of wholesome Aryan manhood.  Perhaps you should pay attention to that little German particle in his name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one thing &#8211; von Brun would not watch Mel Gibson movies.  He hated Christianity with a passion, regarding it in classic Nazi style as a Jewish pollution of wholesome Aryan manhood.  Perhaps you should pay attention to that little German particle in his name.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabio P.Barbieri</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/06/15/the-unlikely-friends-of-the-holocaust-memorial-killer/#comment-1285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fabio P.Barbieri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may add one group to your list of lunatics distinguished by their adherence to &quot;truther&quot; trash: Lefebvrites and other extremist &quot;Catholics&quot; - I place that word in inverted commas not just because they are not members of my Church, however they may claim otherwise, but because their sectarianism and self-regard are the exact opposite of what the word &quot;Catholic&quot;, universal, open to the world, means.  Every Catholic blog I know has a few of these trolls, obsessional about Jews and about conspiracy theories, convinced that the last few Popes were Communist stooges, and so on.  They do not represent us, but they would love to.  And they are - a particularly sad feature - unbelievably loquacious, piling quotation upon quotation to confirm their obsessions.

My impression is that these people are really very few, but the rise of the Internet has given them the chance to get in touch and encourage each other.  And in a bunch, as they are now, I would not regard them as altogether harmless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may add one group to your list of lunatics distinguished by their adherence to &#8220;truther&#8221; trash: Lefebvrites and other extremist &#8220;Catholics&#8221; &#8211; I place that word in inverted commas not just because they are not members of my Church, however they may claim otherwise, but because their sectarianism and self-regard are the exact opposite of what the word &#8220;Catholic&#8221;, universal, open to the world, means.  Every Catholic blog I know has a few of these trolls, obsessional about Jews and about conspiracy theories, convinced that the last few Popes were Communist stooges, and so on.  They do not represent us, but they would love to.  And they are &#8211; a particularly sad feature &#8211; unbelievably loquacious, piling quotation upon quotation to confirm their obsessions.</p>
<p>My impression is that these people are really very few, but the rise of the Internet has given them the chance to get in touch and encourage each other.  And in a bunch, as they are now, I would not regard them as altogether harmless.</p>
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