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		<title>By: John Dutton</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Dutton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realy do get angry when the likes of the BBC go on and the Labour goverment blame there loss in support on the resescion.  Take a look around, since 2004 I have noticed more complaints in newspapers of the workplace banning the likes of Christmas decorations and the likes of staff having to remove Christ on the cross on a chain etc.  I put it down to the likes of the EU, like at the Manchester Arndale one Christmas that spent thousends on winter theme only decor and the ban of Santa Claus at Christmas 2005 that was only to cause uproar.  By some kind of EU law that forces ones to abandon a religious tradition in respect of other religions, doing this is the sort of thing that realy does get peoples backs up to the point that make people vote for the likes of the BNP.  That is were it all started and then to follow back in 2007, Gordon Browns mission to Brussels concerning the EU which costs Britain millions, without holding the promised referendum.  The message people are getting is if you don&#039;t want to be in Europe vote the BNP or UKIP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realy do get angry when the likes of the BBC go on and the Labour goverment blame there loss in support on the resescion.  Take a look around, since 2004 I have noticed more complaints in newspapers of the workplace banning the likes of Christmas decorations and the likes of staff having to remove Christ on the cross on a chain etc.  I put it down to the likes of the EU, like at the Manchester Arndale one Christmas that spent thousends on winter theme only decor and the ban of Santa Claus at Christmas 2005 that was only to cause uproar.  By some kind of EU law that forces ones to abandon a religious tradition in respect of other religions, doing this is the sort of thing that realy does get peoples backs up to the point that make people vote for the likes of the BNP.  That is were it all started and then to follow back in 2007, Gordon Browns mission to Brussels concerning the EU which costs Britain millions, without holding the promised referendum.  The message people are getting is if you don&#8217;t want to be in Europe vote the BNP or UKIP.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony St. John</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony St. John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Lament for Europe

Land of the Setting Sun
Caldron simmering in hungering desperation
To regain the smacks of the Past.
You seek to lunge ahead
On the energy of Your logic
And hopes not yet lionized.
You call upon Your histories
To lend strength to Your phantasies.
You coil up hard on Your proud self
Wrinkled and weather-beaten.
You struggle to nurture new flowers
On the dry rot of Your haunted memories.
Your youth, sniffed upon by strapped canine squads,
Rape-hate in Your stadiums
Striped with electronic rejoinders
To press softly-pliant, gaily-tinged plastic buttons.
Your elderly curl their ways to bankrupt health ministries
Where physicians fool with forms
And fill in football pools.
Your neighbors to the East—
Brazen, sordid—
Yank towards You
Roughly extracting for exacting theirs craved for.
You, Europe, sit pickled—
Soused in the juices of Your scummy heretofore.
Your dabblers in politics set flags unfurled
And their powers shame—
Shame!—
This Our world.


Anthony St. John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Lament for Europe</p>
<p>Land of the Setting Sun<br />
Caldron simmering in hungering desperation<br />
To regain the smacks of the Past.<br />
You seek to lunge ahead<br />
On the energy of Your logic<br />
And hopes not yet lionized.<br />
You call upon Your histories<br />
To lend strength to Your phantasies.<br />
You coil up hard on Your proud self<br />
Wrinkled and weather-beaten.<br />
You struggle to nurture new flowers<br />
On the dry rot of Your haunted memories.<br />
Your youth, sniffed upon by strapped canine squads,<br />
Rape-hate in Your stadiums<br />
Striped with electronic rejoinders<br />
To press softly-pliant, gaily-tinged plastic buttons.<br />
Your elderly curl their ways to bankrupt health ministries<br />
Where physicians fool with forms<br />
And fill in football pools.<br />
Your neighbors to the East—<br />
Brazen, sordid—<br />
Yank towards You<br />
Roughly extracting for exacting theirs craved for.<br />
You, Europe, sit pickled—<br />
Soused in the juices of Your scummy heretofore.<br />
Your dabblers in politics set flags unfurled<br />
And their powers shame—<br />
Shame!—<br />
This Our world.</p>
<p>Anthony St. John</p>
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		<title>By: Davy Stephenson</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davy Stephenson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 12:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think its fair to tar the BNP with a Natzi brush, In Natzi Germany there were very little other coloured mixes like we have today, once the BNP start taking on coloured or ethinic types, we will know they are then being sincere, colour is only skin deep amongst the people who were born British.

On the part about foreiners taking away british jobs, we are all wearing blinkers here I&#039;m affraid, the number of jobs that way is a very tiny number this way, the main problem is, the big companies have been moving our manufacturing base abroad since Hong Kong we don&#039;t get a vote to this fact, some MP&#039;s have vested intrests in some of these companies and are then indirectly stealing from thier own people,

And the biggest crime of all is the countries own population who have fiddled in some way, most of the people reading this will know exactly what I am saying, so lets not call the political pot black unless we are ourselves squeaky clean and thus innocent.

What we need is a party comprising of MP&#039;s from all the different parties just like we did during the last war, and what a really good team they were.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think its fair to tar the BNP with a Natzi brush, In Natzi Germany there were very little other coloured mixes like we have today, once the BNP start taking on coloured or ethinic types, we will know they are then being sincere, colour is only skin deep amongst the people who were born British.</p>
<p>On the part about foreiners taking away british jobs, we are all wearing blinkers here I&#8217;m affraid, the number of jobs that way is a very tiny number this way, the main problem is, the big companies have been moving our manufacturing base abroad since Hong Kong we don&#8217;t get a vote to this fact, some MP&#8217;s have vested intrests in some of these companies and are then indirectly stealing from thier own people,</p>
<p>And the biggest crime of all is the countries own population who have fiddled in some way, most of the people reading this will know exactly what I am saying, so lets not call the political pot black unless we are ourselves squeaky clean and thus innocent.</p>
<p>What we need is a party comprising of MP&#8217;s from all the different parties just like we did during the last war, and what a really good team they were.</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 06:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fabio P.Barbieri</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fabio P.Barbieri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My dear sir, when Mussolini took power in Italy, the foreign reaction was roughly along the lines of &quot;it couldn&#039;t happen here&quot;.  By 1933, when Hitler was voted into power, only about three countries on the European mainland - Czechoslovakia, Switzerland and France - kept a recognizably democratic constitution.  (Spain was in a state of near civil war long before the army actually revolted, and does not count.)  And France was fascistized in 1940 by the very man whom legend associated with resistance against the Boche.  Do not delude yourself that any country is proof against tyranny; especially one that is conspicuously lacking in built-in limitations to the power of the state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear sir, when Mussolini took power in Italy, the foreign reaction was roughly along the lines of &#8220;it couldn&#8217;t happen here&#8221;.  By 1933, when Hitler was voted into power, only about three countries on the European mainland &#8211; Czechoslovakia, Switzerland and France &#8211; kept a recognizably democratic constitution.  (Spain was in a state of near civil war long before the army actually revolted, and does not count.)  And France was fascistized in 1940 by the very man whom legend associated with resistance against the Boche.  Do not delude yourself that any country is proof against tyranny; especially one that is conspicuously lacking in built-in limitations to the power of the state.</p>
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		<title>By: The fantasy rise of the BNP &#171; Seismic Shock</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The fantasy rise of the BNP &#171; Seismic Shock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Cohen, always worth a read, comments on the Archbishop of Canterbury&#8217;s alarmist take on the fantasy rise of the BNP.    Comments [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cohen, always worth a read, comments on the Archbishop of Canterbury&#8217;s alarmist take on the fantasy rise of the BNP.    Comments [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gaw</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s very interesting to examine the current generalised worry about the BNP in the way that you do and it&#039;s going to be important to make sure it&#039;s not used to remove power further to the &#039;responsible&#039; centre.

However, whilst I agree with you that the bogeyman of a &#039;popular&#039; surge in support is just that, a more particular danger relating to a smaller constituency surely remains and should concern us as much.

I&#039;ve wondered for a while whether the excluded, unemployed, disfranchised, demoralised, ignored, forgotten and ghetto-ised parts of the former white working class would find a political voice, the mainstream left having abandoned them in recent years. If none of the bigger parties has any large and consistent interest in this constituency, isn&#039;t the door wide open for someone else to try to win them over? For the BNP to succeed in this would not be a &#039;sweeping&#039; victory; but it would be extremely depressing and shameful all the same. 

2-3% of the electorate as a whole is insignificant. But if this translates into clear and lasting majorities in certain wards it is disastrous. Perhaps a &#039;moral panic&#039; is worth having if it mobilises people enough to avoid this particular disaster?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s very interesting to examine the current generalised worry about the BNP in the way that you do and it&#8217;s going to be important to make sure it&#8217;s not used to remove power further to the &#8216;responsible&#8217; centre.</p>
<p>However, whilst I agree with you that the bogeyman of a &#8216;popular&#8217; surge in support is just that, a more particular danger relating to a smaller constituency surely remains and should concern us as much.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered for a while whether the excluded, unemployed, disfranchised, demoralised, ignored, forgotten and ghetto-ised parts of the former white working class would find a political voice, the mainstream left having abandoned them in recent years. If none of the bigger parties has any large and consistent interest in this constituency, isn&#8217;t the door wide open for someone else to try to win them over? For the BNP to succeed in this would not be a &#8216;sweeping&#8217; victory; but it would be extremely depressing and shameful all the same. </p>
<p>2-3% of the electorate as a whole is insignificant. But if this translates into clear and lasting majorities in certain wards it is disastrous. Perhaps a &#8216;moral panic&#8217; is worth having if it mobilises people enough to avoid this particular disaster?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Burns</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross Burns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very fine writer to read alongside Nick Cohen on matters such as this is Paul Foot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very fine writer to read alongside Nick Cohen on matters such as this is Paul Foot.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Burns</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross Burns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 11:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t, Nick - I&#039;m skint, stuck, and sinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t, Nick &#8211; I&#8217;m skint, stuck, and sinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick  Cohen</title>
		<link>http://nickcohen.net/2009/05/24/the-fanatasy-rise-of-the-bnp/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick  Cohen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 09:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ross for God&#039;s sake get out of Carlisle it is the strangest town in England]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross for God&#8217;s sake get out of Carlisle it is the strangest town in England</p>
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